Menu (position-4) not visible in IE9, Opera 12 - Joomla! Forum - community, help and support

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with joomla! 2.5.8 , beez 5,
i have main menu in position-4 (left middle).
i choose options "don't show menu header",
but "show submenu items".

so see menu in firefox (pic. 1),
but see no menu there in ie9 or opera (pic. 2).

when turn on "show menu header",
then see there menu header "+",
so can unfold menu items.

but can make them unfolded initially, without clicking on "+" , without showing menu title @ all?

thank you.






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